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Claudia Starlight · May 05, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

it's a pity mesmers are often overlooked in PvE =/

my arcane echo and energy surge is a weapon of mass murder... but no one seems to care..

maybe people think that mesmers are "lesser" elementalists?

reminds me of EQ2.. no one wants my illusionist because i don't do enough damage.. hah

LightningHell · May 05, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

No, they don't do less damage than most classes. That is such a misconception.

It's just that most of the populace aren't smart enough to notice that Backfire deals 142 damage when their opponent casts a spell.

NinjaKai · May 05, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by shoot n loot

umm.. on my mesmer ive found its easiest to do heavy dmg and get groups goin /elementalist and being an echo nuker

Problem with that is your more elementalist than mesmer. Your basically a fast casting elementalis that can repeat elementalist spells.

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

It's just that most of the populace aren't smart enough to notice that Backfire deals 142 damage when their opponent casts a spell.

Clean damage that goes straight through armor. Even one spell cast by a spellcaster under backfire can be fatal.

felinette · May 05, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I've got three mesmers on the go in PvE right now--one Tyrian, two Canthan. They're a hell of a lot of fun. Want one to do major damage--build for that. Want one to shut down/interrupt casters--build for that. Want one to offer support in the way of softening up opponents? Make warriors look like stumbling idiots? You can to that, too. Want one to look pretty--goes without saying, and that includes the boys.

They're a *lot* of fun to play. You may not be appreciated by the masses (though I've not really found that to be true--I have no problems grouping), but you won't care because you'll be having a blast. And yeah, get used to owning an opponent but having the tank take credit. Good for a chuckle.

If anyone reading this has never tried a mesmer, try it. You just might like it.

zeroxy · May 06, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by felinette

I've got three mesmers on the go in PvE right now--one Tyrian, two Canthan. They're a hell of a lot of fun. Want one to do major damage--build for that. Want one to shut down/interrupt casters--build for that. Want one to offer support in the way of softening up opponents? Make warriors look like stumbling idiots? You can to that, too. Want one to look pretty--goes without saying, and that includes the boys.

They're a *lot* of fun to play. You may not be appreciated by the masses (though I've not really found that to be true--I have no problems grouping), but you won't care because you'll be having a blast. And yeah, get used to owning an opponent but having the tank take credit. Good for a chuckle.

If anyone reading this has never tried a mesmer, try it. You just might like it.

Why not do 1 mesmer with lots of skills and just change the build when you want to?
I saw a guy with 2 level 20 warriors, one W/ME and one W/MO, W/mo for running and w/me for tanking :S.

Apparently he didnt know about the secondary profession changing thing..even after beating the game twice!

Evilsod · May 06, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

No, they don't do less damage than most classes. That is such a misconception.

It's just that most of the populace aren't smart enough to notice that Backfire deals 147 damage when their opponent casts a spell.

Hehe, yeah i seriously doubt that anymore than 1 team member in FoW will figure its NOT the ele that caused the Skeleton Ether Beaker to lose 441 health in 3 seconds (due to it casting 3 times through Backfire). They seem to notice even less when that Shadow Monk for some reason stops casting completely.... it'd surprise me if any of the team even knew that Power Block existed

Avarre, i see you don't have much love for Wastrels Worry

Although i suppose now bosses in Cantha don't have 1/2 hex duration, that skill is even more useless than it was before. I did normally bring it when i went FoW, for Wurms mainly, its worth wasting a slot just to kill a wurm in 30 seconds alone rather than 30 minutes together. Plus you can always use it on Power Blocked casters or Warriors entering battle. Power Spike + WW can do a fairly decent amount of damage.

Avarre · May 06, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Avarre, i see you don't have much love for Wastrels Worry

Thats because it is useless in PvE, in all circumstances. If anyone disagrees, sorry, you are wrong. Oh, it does damage and kills enemies? So does the benefits of IWAY... doesn't make it good.

Tip : Play conservatively. When you're the last one standing after kiting heavily, people will start paying attention that you're not just cannon fodder. For that reason, bring a few defensive skills to make sure you can stay alive. You should be switching targets and observing the entire field, so you should be the last to fall anyways.

Strange Brew · May 06, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

PvE : My guild seriously never leave town these days without my mes. They were dubious at first , but since playing same runs with/without mes they can really appreciate the dfference I make. Just need to spread the word.....

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 06, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Why do you hate WW so much Avarre?

Themis · May 06, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Mesmer is not for direct damage. And WW looks alot like direct damage. I agree with Avarre : WW is one of the least efficient spells, with a very low effective damage/cost ratio. Especially in PvE.

AnubisEight · May 07, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

What's the best secondary class for a dom mes in PvE?

I'm completely new to messing. I've been playing a unique War/Ele build for the past year with great success... but I really want to learn more about the metagame by workin' a mes.

Is it just considered inefficient running anything other than a full-blown mes?

Eden2k5 · May 07, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

I don't like WW much either, I guess I feel I should be doing something more important like waiting to interrupt vital skills, or shutting down. Than using my energy for 'possible' damage.

WW is a good skill though, just not one I like to use much

I don't like using Backfire either, however it owns in Challenge Missions.

I tried Mes/Ele with Glyph of Energy and Gale/Blinding Flash, with some inspiration/interrupts. Harldy any damage but it could really shutdown stuff in PvE, blind a taget, knockdown a monk/caster, blind another melee, interrupt, blah blah. While your team has an easier time taking em out.

Great overall skills for PvE are: Clumsiness, Ineptitude, Images of Remorse, Cry of Frustration, Guilt & Shame, Power Drain, Drain enchantment, etc.

Oh Arcane Echo is another skill I dislike. Requires too much energy, and its easy to overlook a build that uses it to get rid of arcane echo and put something else in that in the end is more effecient. Really just good for do or die elite skill skill builds.

I think mesmers probably have to shift targets more than any other class to make full use of their skills. On a final note, has anyone found Psychic Instability yet?

LightningHell · May 07, 2006, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Clean damage that goes straight through armor. Even one spell cast by a spellcaster under backfire can be fatal.

I know that, but the Mezzes who do it doesn't get recognition.

AnubisEight · May 07, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

No response to my question?

Avarre · May 07, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by AnubisEight

What's the best secondary class for a dom mes in PvE?

I'm completely new to messing. I've been playing a unique War/Ele build for the past year with great success... but I really want to learn more about the metagame by workin' a mes.

Is it just considered inefficient running anything other than a full-blown mes?

I always run pure mesmer. Secondary class is for ressurects, usually. (Monk or Rit). You can do almost anything as a mesmer, and secondary class skills are less effective... so why not use as much of your strongest capabilities as possible?

AnubisEight · May 07, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Thanks, Avarre.

LightningHell · May 07, 2006, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Well, Glyphing might do you some good...but that's it.

Skuld · May 07, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by Claudia Starlight

it's a pity mesmers are often overlooked in PvE =/

my arcane echo and energy surge is a weapon of mass murder... but no one seems to care..

maybe people think that mesmers are "lesser" elementalists?

reminds me of EQ2.. no one wants my illusionist because i don't do enough damage.. hah

Your echo surge does make me think you're a lesser elementalist

LightningHell · May 07, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Well, there ARE some who come from the Elementalist profession. Some adapt and some don't.

Y'know, I play an Elementalist too.

Ranting done.

Well, please don't address everyone else not pure Mesmer as idiots, there's that rare one percent of the populace that's slightly educated, you know.

Evilsod · May 07, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I always run pure mesmer.